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Post by Maxxie on Feb 20, 2014 21:56:16 GMT
Am I the only one getting really emotional whenever I think about Draco receiving the Dark Mark ? How terrifying that must have been for him ? He clearly didn't want it and he was just a kid.
Sometimes I think about the ceremony or whatever Voldemort does when marking a new Death Eater and I just want to hug Draco and tell him it'll be okay.
I really want to talk about it even though I'm not sure what to say. I'm just getting really emotional over it.
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Post by drarry on Feb 20, 2014 23:05:56 GMT
I've never really thought about it, to be honest, but now that you bring it up I am completely terrified... But I'm going to try and think about it without poor baby Draco in mind.
Are you trying to think about maybe what processes they take in the ceremony?? Cause that would be interesting. Like, was the Dark Mark done the Muggle way (seems unlikely for DEs), in some sort of branding fashion or a combination of the two? Also, there would have to be a tonne of weird/dark spells placed on it so that Voldemort could summon them...
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Post by herillusion on Feb 21, 2014 3:57:57 GMT
the ceremony bit's pretty much a mystery cos it's not like it was really elaborated on in the books..except that the process would obviously hurt.i've seen some fics which they imply sex was involved though,and not in a good way,and it's just heartbreaking imagining draco having to go through that
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Post by drarry on Feb 21, 2014 4:22:47 GMT
herillusion Yeah, of course it's impossible to know for sure what happened... Idk I just like to think about these things (In a scientific way rather than a sympathetic way - it helps!) Idk, sex seems a bit too crazy to me. Like why???
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Post by herillusion on Feb 21, 2014 8:03:05 GMT
drarry well i guess the question would more of why not? :x i mean like hey well..voldemort's insane,he doesn't need reasons for stuff.maybe he gets a twisted pleasure out of seeing it,who knows.i suppose i don't think about it much in general,scientifically or sympathetically(it's not exactly a happy topic)..i just read fics happily and leave that train of thought aside in some corner of my mind.
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Post by drarry on Feb 21, 2014 8:33:13 GMT
herillusion idk, i just can't see Voldy even acknowledging sex existing. I'd say it's possible that he gets a twisted pleasure out of seeing others in pain, but not due to sexual acts. That's just my opinion though (obviously)
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Post by Maxxie on Feb 21, 2014 11:50:05 GMT
I imagine a ceremony where the Death Eaters have to prove themselves, for example torture a muggle child in frond of everyone before being allowed the dark mark. Even though Draco is a bully, I can't see him enjoying that. His Dad's in Azkaban, so he doesn't even have his support, he's surrounded by all these Death Eaters, known killers, and he's just a kid, just 16 and he suddenly realizes the difference between playing at being a bully at Hogwarts and what real power means, power he's not sure he wants because it's too horrible. Then Voldemort tells him his mission, that he has to kill his Headmaster. This ceremony is the moment Draco stopped being a child, realizing what his dad really got him into by following a mad man, and he never wanted in. Bragging about being the heir of Slytherin in second year and hoping more muggle born kids would be attacked suddenly takes another meaning, it's not just a joke anymore. Being prejudiced agains muggle borns isn't a game but a war, with real casualties and he'll have to kill to survive. I got a bit carried on, didn't I ?
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Post by herillusion on Feb 21, 2014 17:06:35 GMT
His Dad's in Azkaban, so he doesn't even have his support, he's surrounded by all these Death Eaters, known killers, and he's just a kid, just 16 and he suddenly realizes the difference between playing at being a bully at Hogwarts and what real power means, power he's not sure he wants because it's too horrible. Then Voldemort tells him his mission, that he has to kill his Headmaster. This ceremony is the moment Draco stopped being a child, realizing what his dad really got him into by following a mad man, and he never wanted in. Bragging about being the heir of Slytherin in second year and hoping more muggle born kids would be attacked suddenly takes another meaning, it's not just a joke anymore. Being prejudiced agains muggle borns isn't a game but a war, with real casualties and he'll have to kill to survive. I got a bit carried on, didn't I ? well it was a nice sort of carrying on though cos that was well said! also drarry well i can see your point too..i don't really know what more to say to that LOL.i suppose he'd be too busy with his plans for world domination to bother about such human matters as sex,anyway,not that anyone would want to have any with him(maybe except bellatrix)with him in that state anyway :x
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Post by drarry on Feb 22, 2014 13:24:43 GMT
Maxxie Don't worry, I love that kind of carrying away and you did it in such a succinct manner! I completely agree with everything you said! This is why I love HP, tbh. Because you can gather all of this crazy information from just looking between the lines and I just love that. And I totally agree that Draco wouldn't enjoy torturing anyone. He really was just a boy when all of that was going on; I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for him. herillusion Hahaha, I can't imagine Voldemort thinking of sex at all in his life, even as a teenage boy. I see him dismissing it as an act only useful for garnering an heir, and he didn't want one of those. Having an heir would mean leaving his legacy to them, and Voldemort didn't want that. He wanted immortality. I doubt even Bella would want to have sex with him! She may have been attracted in some fashion to the power he possessed and portrayed, but beyond that? I just don't see it
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Post by herillusion on Feb 23, 2014 3:05:28 GMT
drarry so basically you see him as a asexual megalomaniac even when he was actually quite a handsome teenager LOL.not a far off view,maybe,though sometimes i do like to think that if someone could have taught him to love then the whole mess could have been avoided..that's ignoring the 'his mother conceived him with a love potion so he can't love' bit,obviously,but what can i say,i sort of like do-over fics.or fics that give the bad ppl(this totally started off with draco & i know it might not be quite fair applying it to tom riddle who's actually evil cos draco killed anyone through his own will but well ><)redemption,basically.
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Post by drarry on Feb 25, 2014 5:40:28 GMT
herillusion Hahha, basically! Well, all he ever wanted was power, right? And immortality. Everything else he would have passed off as stupid and mortal. True, maybe if he had had someone in his early days, he would have been okay... But I think considering he was spawned from a love potion (whether that technically effects his ability to love or not), and his family history is probably fairly incestuous, he was doomed from the start. I mean, his little pranks on the other children at the Orphanage could be passed off as having some fun, but they were all done to induce terror. I really love redemption, too (like you said, one of the reasons I love Draco / Drarry so much), but Draco was far from evil. He was just a misunderstood boy with too many hard choices thrust upon him.
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Post by herillusion on Feb 25, 2014 5:51:29 GMT
drarry yeah,but that's what makes fics involving tom and romance more interesting if they're written well,cos there're so much more complications to get around..though 1 easy way would be to make harry go dark.then he would at least have someone he listened to to stop him from going too far..'he was doomed from the start' huh that makes me pretty sad.like there'll always have to be ppl in each generation that can't be saved no matter what cos evil will always be around(realistic though,perhaps).yes,exactly,the prejudice draco has to face post war is pretty terrible considering if ppl put themselves in his shoes..how much better would they have done?like,saying he could have gone to dumbledore for help was much easier said than done..draco's no gryffindor.what's your view on lucius though?evil or redeemable?
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Post by drarry on Feb 25, 2014 6:23:38 GMT
herillusion I've never read a dark!Harry fic before, tbh. I like obnoxiously-Gryffindor Harry xD It is quite sad that he was evil from such a young age. I'm not a psychologist or anything, but I'm pretty sure there are a tonne of mental health terms for people like Tom Riddle... Yeah, Draco really just got handed all of the bad and was forced to find a way to deal with it. And you have to remember that Draco didn't like Dumbledore. He may not have been able to kill him, but he certainly didn't like him. Dumbledore had always been extremely biased towards the Gryffindors, and had barely given Draco the time of day. Hmm... This is a hard one, actually! I want to say that he's redeemable, because most people are. I think it just depends on the context. Like, I've read fics where Lucius is a bit of a hard-arse, and doesn't approve of Drarry, but he still loves Draco and eventually gets over it. But then, I've also read fics where Lucius's time in Azkaban sends him insane, or he dies in there. But without Azkaban, I like to think he definitely would have seen the error of his ways to a certain extent (even if he would not want to admit it).
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Post by herillusion on Feb 25, 2014 9:51:22 GMT
drarry i thought i'd never read it once,but i got curious,so..it's weird,but not terrible?you've never read slytherin!harry fics then..? o.o ah,sociopath/psychopath?or you mean specifically some disorder? "Dumbledore had always been extremely biased towards the Gryffindors, and had barely given Draco the time of day" >> yup,true.what's your view on dumbledore?powerful man who did the best he could or horribly manipulative?hmm yeah,i've read fics which go to the other extreme and say lucius tries to be the next dark lord though,that he only wanted draco for a heir and didn't care abt him at all..admittedly narcissa was a much more clear cut char in this sense,after the scene in DH she lied for harry to try to get to draco,and she seemingly never participated as much as lucius did in any death eater stuff cos whether she was even marked..well.i've also seen abusive!lucius and neglectful!narcissa,though,and if that works well in the context of the fic i just go with it cos i don't have anything in my brain screaming that "no i can't accept this".i think lucius would find it far harder to change than draco does,or to get forgiveness,for that matter.
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Post by Maxxie on Feb 25, 2014 12:56:59 GMT
I really love redemption, too (like you said, one of the reasons I love Draco / Drarry so much), but Draco was far from evil. He was just a misunderstood boy with too many hard choices thrust upon him. I love redemption too, but as much as I love Draco, let's not forget that he was a bully before being a misunderstood boy. So although I don't think Draco should get shit from Harry and his friends for being a Death Eater against his will, I think he deserves to get his ass kicked for being an insufferable brat at school Being a Death Eater was not really a choice but being a bully was and shouldn't be excused. hmm yeah,i've read fics which go to the other extreme and say lucius tries to be the next dark lord though,that he only wanted draco for a heir and didn't care abt him at all..admittedly narcissa was a much more clear cut char in this sense,after the scene in DH she lied for harry to try to get to draco,and she seemingly never participated as much as lucius did in any death eater stuff cos whether she was even marked..well.i've also seen abusive!lucius and neglectful!narcissa,though,and if that works well in the context of the fic i just go with it cos i don't have anything in my brain screaming that "no i can't accept this".i think lucius would find it far harder to change than draco does,or to get forgiveness,for that matter. In canon, Draco obvioulsy looks up to his dad but yeah, Lucius seems quite distant to him, he has a lot of expectations and seems like he doesn't really care about Draco's feelings much. While Narcissa... She obvioulsy loves her son with all her heart. She spoils him with sweets and that moment in the forest when she saves Harry to ensure her son doesn't have to be a death eater anymore is really important (and dear to my heart it gives me so many feelings). I have a headcanon that Draco tried to scrub his skin raw in the shower while crying after receiving the dark mark
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